Conversations about dialogicality and the notion of ongoingness

Jayne and I have been working on a spectrum of ongoingness – drawing from ideas that we’ve all had in group meetings and beyond as a way to aim to see an overarching conceptualisation of the notion of ongoingness. One of the main points we discussed was whether the ideas that are emerging in our project are dialogical (read Wright and McCarthy) or not – also how reflective or reflexive they are. The debate on reflexivity is rich and nuanced, and there are different ways of looking at it. We refer here to Paul Hibbert’s definition that reflection achieves some learning but the learner is the “same person” afterwards – reflexivity achieves learning but also leaves the learner changed as a result (read more). So (very crudely!) we could say that reflexivity is reflection + self-change.

We contacted Pete Wright and John McCarthy to discuss our thinking.  Our conversation focused on how the “surplus of seeing” of the other (see more on Bakhtin) would play out in terms of a dialogical encounter between self and a deceased other, or to-be-deceased self and other.

Does biological death or death of self represent the final loss of all potential because we can no longer enter into dialogical encounters?
Or is that the point of ongoingness to help others continue to find new ways of seeing surplus in the self (e.g. in me) of creating me?

Their input has been hugely insightful and useful. We are now weaving all the threads together and developing further our thinking on what the spectrum of ongoingness looks like.

Books/papers we are reading in relation to this focus

Dialogism and dialogicality in the study of the self

Mikhail Bakhtin: Creation of a prosaics

The rituals pleasures and politics of cooperation

Mortality as Framed by Ongoingness in Digital Design

Taking [A]part. The Politics and Aesthetics of Participation in Experience-Centered Design

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Ongoingness team meets Mary Mackey

The wonderful Mary Mackey visited us and shared with us her master’s research/art practice which speaks very beautifully to continued relationships and working with and through objects to sense-make in contexts of bereavement. She interviewed 5 women about their evocative objects. She made us wonder what makes an evocative object and gave us glimpses of what is meaningful for people who experienced the loss of a beloved person.

The outcome of her project was an art exhibition where she exhibited her responses to her participants’ stories. A beautiful collection of screenprints and objects. Mary transferred us to a very personal space where repetition, loving and being connected was present.

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A day out at Seahouses

A few weeks ago I had the opportunity to meet a lovely family with a member that is in the later stages of dementia. In collaboration with Silverline Memories, the Charity that provides “places to go and things to do” for people living with Dementia in Newcastle & Gateshead, James, myself and Dean (our driver) took the family on a tour at Seahouses (a village north on the Northumberland coast). I was helping James to capture the day through photographs, audio and 360-degree videos. The initiative was part of James master’s project that focuses on designing for enriching lived experience for people with dementia and improving social contact with community members through the design of personalised interactive media experiences.

During our tour at the Seahouses, we visited Grace Darling’s museum to find out about the life of a brave woman who rescued 9 people from the sea in 1838. Through her personal objects and a stunning model of the lighthouse we were transported in time and learned about the local history. Throughout the day, John struggled to communicate verbally but he was playful with his two daughters and on our way back to Newcastle, he told his wife how much he loved her. At that moment I realised he was enjoying his time with us.

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Analogue vs Digital – Stories from GriefCast

I’ve been listening to GriefCast ( to better understand how people experience grief and how technology has positively and/or negatively affect people at different points in their journey after the loss of a beloved one. Based on the first 11 episodes, here are my thoughts.

Losing someone feels like…

At various points during the episodes, host and comedian Cariad Lloyd describes losing someone like ‘you’ve had a couple of layers of skin ripped off’ or it’s like ‘you’ve had the table cloth pulled from underneath you’. People can become hyper sensitive for example the noise of a train can be overwhelming.

Just knowing I have it is enough

On occasions, guests have talked about the digital footprint of the person that’s died and how knowing it’s there is a comfort; ‘just knowing it’s there is sometimes enough’. However some people simply ‘can’t bare to read the messages yet, and the voice notes will be harder’.

Video might be harder to watch

Cariad’s Dad died before the birth of text and email, so the only digital content she holds is a Dictaphone recording that can’t really be played anymore because it’s so old. ‘I definitely didn’t listen to that dictaphone for a long time, you’re just dealing with such rawness and pain that it takes a while’. The family later found a video of Cariad’s dad when he was a child which seemed to upset her, ‘seeing the cinefilm, that was a real… having not seen him move for so long, a moving image, I did find it really… I think it did help that it was a person I didn’t recognise, because he was 8. OK, it’s really upsetting but I don’t really have a connection to that person’ (Episode 3, 38mins)

I could touch it!

Jon Harvey later comments on the qualities and comfort of letters and photographs ‘it’s tangible isn’t it, there’s something about old school technology’ (Episode 3, 38mins)

He was everywhere in the media, but not the person I remember

In Episode 11, Amy Hoggart talks about losing her dad who was a journalist ‘a weird experience for me is that Dad was a journalist… and he was very slightly in the public eye’ … ‘it was in the news the next day, and we were really sensitive to it but it felt like it was everywhere’ … ‘there were pictures of him and he used to be quite chubby and always laughing… suddenly we were given lots of images of him which were almost unrecognisable because that’s not who we’d been with for ages. And it was actually quite nice to see that no one else will know what it was like at the end.’… ‘There were some bits I found hard, like there was a piece on Radio 4 that I’d not known was going to be on – I did not like hearing his voice, other people don’t have to deal with that. And we were watching the news and there was TV footage of him, and that was horrible’ … ‘You have no control, unless you live in a bubble you’ll just hear them all the time.’

Amy goes on the explain the comfort of printed media that she saw around her father’s death, ‘the print versions, I found comforting […] it felt like other people missed him, that felt special. I also liked that we didn’t have to tell anyone, everybody knew.’

Analogue vs Digital media

This episode (11) is really interesting in terms of technology and grief. Cariad talks about being an ‘analogue griever’ – her father died before the digital really hit off, ‘it’s much harder for me to dig out those pictures’ whereas for Amy ‘it’s just a click away so it’s really tempting, I think I’m more desensitised to it because it’s so available […] I do wonder about the even more digital age where people are on twitter etc […] I guess it keeps them present’.

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Thinking of services as a material

Some of our group ideas involved the use of services such as UBER or Deliveroo to create a meaningful dynamic connection between someone living and someone deceased. Ed Jenkins was the first to suggest an idea where a trigger such as someone bereaved being alone in the house for a long period of time could set a scenario in motion curated earlier by their deceased loved one. The sketches capture our early group ideas about this and formed the basis for a team workshop to refine and plan for prototyping.

We took services such as UBER and Deliveroo and started to think about them in terms of their materiality. Many of us in the team are makers – understanding things as a material to work with feels like a valuable way to understand them and think through the possibilities of working with them beyond the obvious level of what we know them to be.



Reflecting on our own experiences and the notion of ongoingness

Ongoingness: the quality or characteristic of being ongoing and continuing. (Collins English Dictionary)
We have been spending time reflecting on how ongoingness has played out in our own lives and what it means for us to create and curate digital content that can enable dynamic relationships between people – by focusing on our own idiosyncrasies. In response we have all been making sketches, models, short films and artefacts to capture the dynamics of this.

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We’re currently volunteering with a number of our project partners and other related organisations (Cruse Bereavement Care (Newcastle), Sheffcare (Sheffield), Marie Curie and Alzheimer’s Society) in order to spend time with the amazing people with whom they work and to learn valuable insights and ways of working from staff. It is a real joy and we’re experiencing so much.